Shanty Soerjono

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Shanty Soerjono

By Shanty Soerjono

CA DRE #02187790 · Century 21 Masters

June 25, 2026 · 15 min read

The phone call that catches families off guard

Some of the hardest conversations I have start the same way. A family has finally gotten their footing in the California probate. The house here is on the market, the attorney is moving things along, and there's a sense that the worst is behind them. Then someone mentions the cabin in Arizona, or the little rental condo in Las Vegas Mom bought years ago, and I have to gently explain that the property in the other state isn't part of the California case at all. It needs its own proceeding, in that state's courts. The relief they'd just started to feel drains right out of the room.

I understand why it feels unfair. You're already navigating one court system you never asked to learn, and now you're told there's a second one waiting. But it isn't a mistake or an oversight by anyone. It's simply how real estate ownership works in this country. Each state guards authority over the land within its own borders, and a California court order, no matter how valid, generally cannot transfer title to a deed recorded in another state's county recorder's office. The second proceeding has a name: ancillary probate.

The word 'ancillary' just means secondary or supporting. The California case is the primary or 'domiciliary' probate, because California is where your loved one lived when they died. The ancillary case is the helper proceeding opened in the state where the out-of-state property sits, for the limited purpose of dealing with that property. Once you understand that the two cases are partners rather than duplicates, the path forward gets a lot less intimidating. I want to walk you through how they fit together, what it realistically costs in time and money, and how families can plan so their own children never get this phone call.

Why the Arizona cabin needs its own court

Real property, meaning land and the buildings attached to it, is governed by the law of the state where it physically sits. Lawyers call this the rule of 'situs,' from the Latin for location. It's one of the oldest principles in American property law, and it exists for a practical reason: the county recorder in Coconino County, Arizona answers to Arizona courts, not to a judge in Los Angeles or Orange County. When it's time to sign a deed transferring that cabin to a buyer or to the heirs, the title company and the recorder need to see authority issued under their own state's law. A California letter of administration simply doesn't carry that authority across the border.

Personal property is treated differently, and this trips people up. Bank accounts, brokerage accounts, vehicles, jewelry, and similar movable assets are generally handled through the probate in the state where the person lived, regardless of where the items happen to be sitting. So the money in an out-of-state bank account usually flows through the California case. It's specifically real estate, the immovable land, that pins you to the other state's courthouse. The same is true in reverse, by the way: if someone who lived in Nevada owned a home in California, their California home would require an ancillary proceeding here.

There are a few ways property escapes ancillary probate entirely, and it's worth checking before you assume the worst. If the out-of-state property was held in a living trust, titled in joint tenancy with a surviving owner, or carried a transfer-on-death deed valid under that state's law, it may pass outside of probate altogether. I've seen families discover that the cabin was quietly placed in a trust years earlier, which turned a feared second probate into a simple administrative step. So before you brace for two full court cases, gather the deed and find out exactly how that property was titled. That single document often determines everything that follows.

The deciding question is almost never 'where did they live' but 'how was the out-of-state property titled.' Find the deed first.

How the two cases actually work together

Here's the part that reassures most families: the ancillary case usually rides on the back of the California one, rather than starting from scratch. The California court appoints the executor or administrator and issues the official documents proving their authority. The ancillary state then typically accepts certified copies of those California documents as the foundation for appointing the same person, often the very same executor, to act in that state. You generally don't re-prove the will or re-fight who's in charge. The second state is, in effect, honoring the work the first court already did and granting local authority to carry it out on the local property.

In practice, this means you'll likely need a probate attorney licensed in the second state, working alongside your California attorney or your team here. The out-of-state attorney files the ancillary petition, submits the certified California documents, and shepherds that property through the local court until it can be sold or transferred. The two attorneys coordinate so the timelines roughly track each other, and so the proceeds and accounting ultimately fold back into the main California estate for distribution to the heirs. As a California real estate specialist, I'm not your attorney and I'm not giving legal advice here; please confirm the specifics with a probate attorney licensed in each state, because the procedural details genuinely vary from state to state.

The good news is that an ancillary proceeding is often lighter than a full primary probate, because the heavy lifting, validating the will and appointing the fiduciary, has already happened in California. The ancillary court is focused on one job: clearing title to the local real estate. Some states even offer simplified or 'summary' ancillary procedures when the will has already been admitted elsewhere. That doesn't make it free or instant, but it's usually not a second mountain the size of the first one. It's more like a second, smaller hill that runs partly in parallel.

  • California (domiciliary) court appoints the executor and issues authority documents
  • Certified copies of those documents go to the second state's court
  • An attorney licensed in that state files the ancillary petition
  • The local court grants authority to deal with the local real estate
  • Sale proceeds and accounting flow back into the main California estate

What it costs you in time, money, and energy

Let me be honest about the toll, because vague reassurance helps no one. A second proceeding means a second set of court filing fees, a second attorney to pay, and a second timeline that has to be managed on top of grief and everything else. I won't quote you exact dollar figures, because court fees and attorney pricing differ by state and change over time, and I don't want you anchoring to a number that turns out to be wrong. What I can tell you is to budget for it as a real, additional expense, and to ask both attorneys early for a written estimate so there are no surprises. Some states tie attorney fees to the value of the estate; others bill hourly. Knowing which you're dealing with changes the math considerably.

Timing is the other cost, and it's often the more painful one. Because the ancillary case can usually run alongside the California probate rather than strictly after it, you may not be adding the full length of a second probate to your wait. But you are adding coordination, and coordination across two courts and two attorneys takes patience. A vacant out-of-state property also keeps generating obligations the whole time, property taxes, insurance, utilities, HOA dues, and basic upkeep, and someone has to manage all of that from a distance until the sale closes. Those carrying costs quietly add up month after month, which is why families are usually eager to move the out-of-state property along rather than let it sit.

There's an emotional cost too, and I don't want to skip past it. Out-of-state property is often the family cabin, the vacation place, the spot where holidays happened. Selling it can stir up more feeling than selling the primary residence did, and it can surface old disagreements among siblings about whether to keep it in the family or let it go. I always encourage families to separate the legal question, which proceeding is required, from the emotional one, what we want to do with this place. They're both real, but they're answered by different people, and tangling them together tends to make everything harder.

A vacant out-of-state home keeps costing money every month, taxes, insurance, utilities, upkeep, so most families benefit from resolving it sooner rather than letting it sit.

Handling a property you can't easily get to

Distance is the practical headache nobody warns you about. When the property is three states away, you can't just drive over to check the pipes, meet a locksmith, or let an appraiser in. Yet someone still has to keep that home safe, insured, and presentable while the ancillary case proceeds. The first thing I tell families is to confirm the property is properly insured for a vacant home, because many standard policies limit or exclude coverage once a house sits empty for an extended period. A burst pipe or a small fire in an uninsured vacant home can wipe out a meaningful chunk of the estate's value, so this is not a corner to cut.

Next, line up trustworthy local eyes and hands. That might mean a local property manager, a caretaker, or a real estate professional in that market who can coordinate maintenance, handle the seasonal realities, winterizing a mountain cabin, for instance, and prepare the home for sale when the court gives the green light. A good local agent in the property's market is worth their weight here, because they know the comparable sales, the buyer pool, and the quirks of that area in a way no out-of-state professional can match. Part of my role is often helping California families find and vet those local partners so they're not handing the keys to a stranger blindly.

Keep meticulous records of every expense connected to the out-of-state property, the insurance premiums, the repairs, the travel if you have to go in person, because these are typically legitimate costs of administering the estate and need to be accounted for to the court and to the other heirs. Clear documentation also prevents the kind of suspicion that can fester between siblings when money is moving and not everyone can see where it's going. When one person is shouldering the burden of managing a faraway property, transparent records protect both the estate and the relationships, which in my experience matter just as much as the dollars.

How to spare your own family this entirely

If you take one thing from a parent's ancillary probate, let it be this: it is almost always avoidable with planning, and the planning is far cheaper and easier than the cleanup. The single most effective tool for most families is a properly funded living trust. When real estate, in any state, is titled in the name of the trust during the owner's lifetime, it generally passes to the beneficiaries without probate at all, in either state. No primary probate, no ancillary probate, no second attorney across state lines. The catch is the word 'funded': the trust only works if the deeds are actually re-titled into it. I've seen too many trusts that named the cabin but never got the deed changed, which left the family right back in ancillary court.

For some properties and some states, simpler tools can do the job, transfer-on-death deeds where that state allows them, or joint tenancy with right of survivorship, though each has trade-offs and risks that deserve real thought rather than a quick fix. Joint tenancy, for example, can create unintended gift and tax consequences and exposes the property to a co-owner's creditors. This is exactly the kind of decision to make with a qualified estate planning attorney and, where taxes are in play, a CPA. I'm a real estate specialist, not an attorney or a tax advisor, so please treat what I'm describing as a map of the terrain, not as legal or tax advice tailored to your situation. The right structure depends on your family, your assets, and the laws of each state involved.

The broader lesson is simply to take inventory while you can. If you own real estate in more than one state, sit down and ask, for each property, what happens to this when I'm gone, and which court would my children stand in. That one afternoon of honest accounting, deeds in hand, is a profound gift to the people you love. It's also a good prompt to revisit an old plan, because a trust drafted twenty years ago may not reflect the property you bought since. Estate planning isn't a one-time event; it's something to dust off every few years and after every major purchase.

  • Fund a living trust by actually re-titling each property's deed into it, not just naming the property
  • Review whether a transfer-on-death deed is valid and appropriate in each property's state
  • Understand the real risks of joint tenancy before using it as a shortcut
  • Inventory every out-of-state property and identify which court would handle it
  • Revisit your plan every few years and after buying or selling real estate

You don't have to figure this out alone

If you're reading this in the middle of it, with a California probate underway and a property in another state you're not sure what to do with, take a breath. This is a well-worn path, and there is a clear order of operations. Get the deed and confirm how the out-of-state property is titled, since that may change everything. Ask your California probate attorney whether ancillary probate is truly required, or whether the property passes outside of it. If a second proceeding is needed, get a probate attorney licensed in that state involved early, and make sure the property is safely insured and looked after in the meantime. None of these steps has to happen all at once.

My role in all of this is the real estate side, and I'm glad to help where it's useful. I can help you orient to the whole picture and understand which pieces are legal questions versus property questions. I can help make sure an out-of-state home is kept safe, insured, and maintained from a distance, and connect you with vetted local agents and property managers in that market so the eventual sale is handled well. And when families need legal guidance, I'm happy to refer you to trusted probate attorneys, here in California and, through my network, in other states, so you're not searching blindly during the hardest season of your life.

There's no pressure and no obligation in reaching out. Sometimes a family just needs one calm conversation to understand what they're facing and feel less alone in it, and that conversation is free. Whether you end up needing my help with a property or simply a pointer toward the right attorney, I'd rather you have good information than wrestle with this in the dark. When you're ready, I'm here, and we can take it one practical step at a time.

Key takeaways

  • Out-of-state real estate generally requires its own 'ancillary' probate in that state, because each state controls title to land within its borders, a California court order can't transfer an out-of-state deed.
  • The deciding factor is usually how the property was titled, not where the owner lived, so find the deed first; trust-held, joint tenancy, or transfer-on-death property may avoid probate entirely.
  • The two cases coordinate: California (the primary case) appoints the executor, and the second state typically accepts certified copies of those documents to grant local authority, often to the same person.
  • Budget for real added costs, a second attorney, second filing fees, and ongoing carrying costs (taxes, insurance, upkeep) on a vacant out-of-state home that someone must manage from afar.
  • Confirm vacant-home insurance and line up trusted local help early; an uninsured loss or neglected maintenance can erode the estate's value before the property ever sells.
  • A properly funded living trust usually avoids ancillary probate altogether, but only if the deeds are actually re-titled into it, planning now is far cheaper than ancillary court later.

Questions, answered

FAQ

Can my California executor just handle the out-of-state property too?

Not directly. Your California-appointed executor has authority under California law, which generally doesn't reach real estate in another state. However, the second state will usually recognize that appointment and grant the same person local authority through an ancillary proceeding, using certified copies of the California documents. So in practice it's often the same executor acting in both places, but they need a separate court order and typically a local attorney in the second state to legally deal with that property. Confirm the exact procedure with a probate attorney licensed there.

How much does ancillary probate cost on top of the main probate?

It varies by state, so I won't quote a figure that might mislead you. Expect a second set of court filing fees and a second attorney, since you'll usually need one licensed in the property's state. Some states tie attorney fees to estate value; others bill hourly. There are also carrying costs, insurance, taxes, utilities, and upkeep, while the property waits to sell. Ask both attorneys for written estimates early so you can plan. The cost is real but often lighter than the primary probate, since the will and executor are already established.

How long does ancillary probate add to the process?

Often less time than you'd fear, because the ancillary case can usually run alongside the California probate rather than strictly after it. The main delay is coordination, two courts, two attorneys, and an out-of-state property to manage remotely. Some states offer simplified ancillary procedures when the will is already admitted elsewhere, which can speed things up. The bigger practical pressure is that a vacant home keeps generating costs every month, so most families push to resolve the property promptly. Your local attorney in that state can give you a realistic timeline for that court.

What if the out-of-state property was in a trust or held jointly?

Then you may avoid ancillary probate entirely, which is the best-case outcome. Property held in a properly funded living trust generally passes to beneficiaries without probate in any state. The same is often true for property in joint tenancy with a surviving owner, or with a valid transfer-on-death deed under that state's law. This is exactly why finding the deed matters so much before assuming a second proceeding is required. Have a probate attorney confirm how the title reads and what it means, because the document controls the outcome more than anything else.

Could we have avoided this with better planning, and can I avoid it for my kids?

Usually, yes. The most reliable tool is a properly funded living trust, with each property's deed actually re-titled into the trust, not just mentioned in it. That typically lets real estate in every state pass without probate at all. Simpler options like transfer-on-death deeds or joint tenancy work in some situations but carry trade-offs worth discussing. I'm a real estate specialist, not an attorney or CPA, so plan this with an estate planning attorney and, where taxes are involved, a CPA. An afternoon of planning now spares your children this exact phone call later.

Shanty Soerjono

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Shanty Soerjono

CA DRE #02187790 · Century 21 Masters

Shanty Soerjono is a probate and trust real estate specialist serving Chino Hills, the San Gabriel Valley, the Inland Empire, and Orange County. She works alongside probate attorneys to guide families through every step of an estate home sale — with patience, paperwork fluency, and zero pressure.

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